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		<title>By: Colin Eberhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-the-future-of-wpf/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Eberhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

That is some interesting feedback there. I might just take you up on that bet. Have you seen my latest post:

http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/news-from-the-silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-an-answer-to-my-question-on-silverlight-adoption/

I would guess that it will just under 50% by end of year ;-)

I agree with quite a lot of what you say - perhaps it is more an indication of the caution in the financial domain at the moment. 

Regards, Colin E.
P.S. SL does not have all 3 trigger types; property, event and data - that is what I was referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>That is some interesting feedback there. I might just take you up on that bet. Have you seen my latest post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/news-from-the-silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-an-answer-to-my-question-on-silverlight-adoption/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/news-from-the-silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-an-answer-to-my-question-on-silverlight-adoption/</a></p>
<p>I would guess that it will just under 50% by end of year <img src='http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree with quite a lot of what you say &#8211; perhaps it is more an indication of the caution in the financial domain at the moment. </p>
<p>Regards, Colin E.<br />
P.S. SL does not have all 3 trigger types; property, event and data &#8211; that is what I was referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard McSharry</title>
		<link>http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-the-future-of-wpf/#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard McSharry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colin,

I have to agree that security is a concern for many enterprises, but I already know of one leading investment bank that is adopting Silverlight for a trading front-end. It&#039;s advantages as a LOB platform are numerous and its not just about &quot;shiny/animated&quot; buttons etc. Speed of prototyping in SketchFlow and speed of development with decent C# developers is incredible. SL3 represents a paradigm shift in the designer/developer workflow. I am constantly amazed at how quickly Silverlight apps can be built.

The penetration argument, I believe, is moot and it&#039;s all been done before. Flash vs Java vs DHTML etc.. Flash was at version 5 (with no actionscript) before it had 90% penetration, which it hit circa June 2002 (and that was just PCs, did not include PDAS, mobiles etc). At that same time Flash 6 was at 30% penetration!

The iPhone has revolutionised the market for mobile apps and Silverlight 3 is now in a position to really capitalise on that market. Support for touch-screen apps in Silverlight has a strong future too. Windows Mobile 7 will increase penetration of SL apps also. 

I would bet my house we will see 50%+ penetration by year-end.

Just my two-pence worth.

Regards,
Richard

PS Small errata: You will find that Silverlight has had triggers since version 2. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colin,</p>
<p>I have to agree that security is a concern for many enterprises, but I already know of one leading investment bank that is adopting Silverlight for a trading front-end. It&#8217;s advantages as a LOB platform are numerous and its not just about &#8220;shiny/animated&#8221; buttons etc. Speed of prototyping in SketchFlow and speed of development with decent C# developers is incredible. SL3 represents a paradigm shift in the designer/developer workflow. I am constantly amazed at how quickly Silverlight apps can be built.</p>
<p>The penetration argument, I believe, is moot and it&#8217;s all been done before. Flash vs Java vs DHTML etc.. Flash was at version 5 (with no actionscript) before it had 90% penetration, which it hit circa June 2002 (and that was just PCs, did not include PDAS, mobiles etc). At that same time Flash 6 was at 30% penetration!</p>
<p>The iPhone has revolutionised the market for mobile apps and Silverlight 3 is now in a position to really capitalise on that market. Support for touch-screen apps in Silverlight has a strong future too. Windows Mobile 7 will increase penetration of SL apps also. </p>
<p>I would bet my house we will see 50%+ penetration by year-end.</p>
<p>Just my two-pence worth.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Richard</p>
<p>PS Small errata: You will find that Silverlight has had triggers since version 2. <img src='http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NewsPeeps</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewsPeeps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Colin Eberhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-the-future-of-wpf/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Eberhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Oleg,

Amusing, illogical, both of those things it may be. For consumer applications I think your argument holds - if you tell the end-user that they are going to get a really cool application, and to use it they just have to download this little 4Mb plugin, then, yes, they will download it.

However, for business applications it is a little different. Often the end-users will use your software from their place of work, in tightly controlled IT environments. Here the installation of a new plugin is not something the end-user can do themselves, it is a matter for the IT team. If Silverlight is not already on their list of approved software, getting approval can be a tiresome and long-winded process.

It really is only a small obstacle, and some of our customers say &quot;If we make this cool application, people will install Silverlight&quot;, however, most do not want to take on that risk - no matter how small it might be.

There are other factors too. Some managers might see the 25% - 30% Silverlight penetration figures and start to wonder if this indicates problems other than simply the time taken to adopt a new technology. Perhaps ... they see the low adoption figures as an indication that Silverlight just isn&#039;t any good?

In the current climate, Financial companies have to be more careful than ever, and minimising technology risk is part of this.

Anyhow, thanks for your views - I am always interested in what other think.

Regards, Colin E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oleg,</p>
<p>Amusing, illogical, both of those things it may be. For consumer applications I think your argument holds &#8211; if you tell the end-user that they are going to get a really cool application, and to use it they just have to download this little 4Mb plugin, then, yes, they will download it.</p>
<p>However, for business applications it is a little different. Often the end-users will use your software from their place of work, in tightly controlled IT environments. Here the installation of a new plugin is not something the end-user can do themselves, it is a matter for the IT team. If Silverlight is not already on their list of approved software, getting approval can be a tiresome and long-winded process.</p>
<p>It really is only a small obstacle, and some of our customers say &#8220;If we make this cool application, people will install Silverlight&#8221;, however, most do not want to take on that risk &#8211; no matter how small it might be.</p>
<p>There are other factors too. Some managers might see the 25% &#8211; 30% Silverlight penetration figures and start to wonder if this indicates problems other than simply the time taken to adopt a new technology. Perhaps &#8230; they see the low adoption figures as an indication that Silverlight just isn&#8217;t any good?</p>
<p>In the current climate, Financial companies have to be more careful than ever, and minimising technology risk is part of this.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for your views &#8211; I am always interested in what other think.</p>
<p>Regards, Colin E.</p>
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		<title>By: codenenterp</title>
		<link>http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-the-future-of-wpf/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>codenenterp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put article.</p>
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		<title>By: Oleg</title>
		<link>http://www.scottlogic.co.uk/blog/colin/2009/07/silverlight-3-uk-launch-and-the-future-of-wpf/#comment-2100</link>
		<dc:creator>Oleg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I am always amused by this argument 
&quot;Our customers want to use Silverlight, but so often they cannot because they know their users do not have the required plugin to run Silverlight applications&quot;

It seems so illogical. In fact, for twenty years of development I never met a customer who refused to install something if they want to use some program. 

Sometimes, they fail to install, that&#039;s true, when the deployment is buggy and plainly just does not work -  and they give up. Sometimes the price was too high. Sometimes hardware requirements. Sometimes the program was not needed.

But I never met something like that: 

- &quot;Are you graphic designer? Here is your free Photoshop. Works fine on your configuration&quot;
- &quot;Does it require installation?&quot;
- &quot;Yes. It will take 10 minutes and you should not do nothing.&quot; 
- &quot;Thanks then, but no, I will continue to use Paint&quot;.

Nevertheless, I know this is a very popular argument right now. Honestly, I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I am always amused by this argument<br />
&#8220;Our customers want to use Silverlight, but so often they cannot because they know their users do not have the required plugin to run Silverlight applications&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems so illogical. In fact, for twenty years of development I never met a customer who refused to install something if they want to use some program. </p>
<p>Sometimes, they fail to install, that&#8217;s true, when the deployment is buggy and plainly just does not work &#8211;  and they give up. Sometimes the price was too high. Sometimes hardware requirements. Sometimes the program was not needed.</p>
<p>But I never met something like that: </p>
<p>- &#8220;Are you graphic designer? Here is your free Photoshop. Works fine on your configuration&#8221;<br />
- &#8220;Does it require installation?&#8221;<br />
- &#8220;Yes. It will take 10 minutes and you should not do nothing.&#8221;<br />
- &#8220;Thanks then, but no, I will continue to use Paint&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I know this is a very popular argument right now. Honestly, I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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